Ask Elisa Podcast

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It’s a special dating story time of Ask Elisa. I’m Elisa and I’m here with my boyfriend’s mother Rhonda who I just met one hour ago. Thank you for agreeing to do this on short notice too.

You betcha. And welcome to my home and my couch and my podcast setup. Very comfortable.

Good, thank you. I try. So in a story time episode each myself and the guest tell a story from our dating past and I have not heard this story of a blind date you had in your 30s.

Nope. And I would love for you to tell it to me. You bet.

Okay, I’m just gonna start from the beginning. I had never been on a blind date. And so this was about 30-ish years ago? Yes, a little more, a little more than that but somewhere around there.

It was like in the 90s. Yes, it was in the 90s. It was actually in 1990.

Okay. Yeah, so you know there was no, there was no internet, I mean there was nothing. And I had separated from my husband, the father of my two children, and moved to a city big enough to find a job.

And I got a job as a receptionist at a production facility. It’s called North Country Media Group. And there was a woman there, her name was Susan.

She said, oh, I have this friend, I have this kid, we know his family. She was older, quite a bit older. She was in her, I think mid-40s or maybe even 50 by then.

And she said, he would be just perfect for you. You need to go out with him. And I’m like, okay, you know.

I mean, I got married when I was 20 and had children at 23 and 25. And you know, this was an exciting new world for me. So I was open to anything.

And she set it up, gave me a call, sounded fine on the phone, decided to go out to dinner. He showed up at my apartment, the kids were with their dad for the weekend. He showed up at my apartment, gorgeous, gorgeous, tall, lanky.

He worked on a ranch, his family ranch. What was his name? His name was Bob Buck. That sounds like he worked on a ranch.

But that was his name. And he, my first clue should have been that he had Bob Buck tooled on the back of his belt. That should have been my first clue.

Like engraved in the leather? Like, yeah, tooled. It’s called tooling, but yeah, it’s, yeah, carved. It’s carving in leather.

And he had his full name carved on his belt. Now, if I ever saw… Did it say Robert Buck? No, it said Bob Buck. Okay.

So he’s gorgeous. He’s tall, lanky, blonde hair, blue eyes. I’d never, you know, the boy’s father, real dark hair and brown eyes.

And I’d never dated anyone with blonde hair and blue eyes. And I was pretty excited. And right from the get-go, it was like, oh no.

He just, everything I said, almost everything I said, he must have said, I’m going to have to go home and look that up. Like, at least 40 times by the course of the evening. Because he didn’t believe you? Or he had to like, learn more about it? He just was not the brightest bulb.

He just was not. There was no intellect involved. And, and you could see it in his eyes.

And I saw it right when I opened the door, you know, just kind of a blankness, almost like a, you know, sometimes the horror movies, some of the guys will have this blank kind of eerie stare. It was kind of like that right from the start, but I’m an optimist, cockeyed optimist. And so anyway, so we go to a movie and then we go to dinner.

I mean, it was like packing all this to a late dinner and he keeps saying this. And I mean, you’re talking to me right now. It’s not like I’m that difficult to follow.

I don’t use enormous words that people don’t understand. Right. And so we go to the movie.

He seems confused by the movie. I don’t even remember what movie it was. Cause again, it was like 30 years ago.

Like he didn’t laugh. It was a comedy. I remember that.

And he didn’t laugh when I laughed or when anybody else laughed and I, you know, and I thought, well, maybe he’s just nervous. So we go out to dinner and I start pounding alcohol because I’m uncomfortable. And that used to be what I did when I was uncomfortable and I got quite intoxicated and wasn’t really eating my dinner.

And he just kept saying, every time I would say a sentence, he kept saying, I’m going to have to go home and look that up. That’s exactly how he talked, which is why when I say his name, I say Bob book. Anyway.

So I had too much to drink and I get mouthier than I already am, which is considerable when I have too much to drink. And he said it again, I’m going to have to go home and look that up. I said, Bob, is it the two syllable words you’re having trouble with or the three? Anyway, I’m not usually that mean I’m really not, but I just was like, Jesus Palomino.

Anyway, I made sure we ended up at a restaurant close to my home. I said, Bob, I have got to go. I’m going to leave now.

And I walked home. I just, it was, I’ve never been on. Oh, I forgot.

I forgot one part. Okay. The first, the first thing that happened is we leave my apartment, we get in his car.

It’s a mess and it smells really bad. And it was like an old station wagon. And he said, Oh, I’ve got a bunch of clothes and, you know, stuff in the back.

And he goes, I’m pretty sure there’s some maggots back there. Oh, I know. I know.

I, I left that part out that, that was in, you know, then it just, anyway, why would he say that to you? I don’t know our maggots in your car. You don’t tell your date that, that you’ve just met for the first time ever. Yeah.

Yeah. And, and, you know, my ex-husband was, was not a, he was kind of had a hoarding issue and was very messy and, you know, not a clean, you know, your house clean type person. He was clean, but anyway, so like there’s the first red flag, right? Well, no, the first red flag was just opening the door and that look in his eyes, that non-comprehending look.

Anyway, that was my one and only blind date ever in all of my 66 years. I never went on one again. Yeah.

So this is a lesson that dating has pretty much always been terrible. And now with dating apps, it’s like pretty much constant blind dates. I mean, you have a little bit more information than if somebody says, Hey, I want to set you up with this guy.

And he shows up at your door, right? Because you have the profile, but it’s constructed by that person. And then you have the chatting phase and then you decide to meet for a date. And this kind of reminds me of somebody I went out with aside, aside from the maggots.

Lucky you. And I, I initially wasn’t going to tell this story, but I think that I will. Um, because it is, it is that kind of vacant, boring person phenomenon that I think is maybe, maybe that’s an epidemic, boring men.

Cause I’ve gone out with so many boring men. They have no personality, no real interests, no real driving, um, I guess passions. Um, but I’ve also gone out with a lot of men who are very interesting and do have a lot of passions and stuff.

So I’m not, I’m not here to say that all men are boring, but I just find this is not something I run into when I talk to women. No, no. So I, I matched with a man on a dating app and he looked very handsome and he was, seemed very well educated.

He didn’t say I have to go home and look that up. Did not, not once. Um, but he, he had a master’s degree in social work and I work in social services.

I really was thinking, you know, this is going to be somebody who is very empathetic and understanding and probably kind. And that to me, like, and his work and he worked with, um, people with developmental disabilities. Wow.

So someone who is making the world a better place. Right. And so I went out with him and we had a pretty nice first date.

He, he seemed very subdued though. And I thought, you know, you know, nerves and stuff. He seemed, um, a bit subdued and I don’t even know, like maybe just a little, a little, uh, monotone in his delivery, just like unenthused in the way that he spoke.

And he was telling me about his family and he, he had talked about his brother, um, having drug addiction and going to prison pretty like for a long time, like from age maybe like 18 or 19 until, and not getting out until he was like in like 30. Like he had, he really hurt somebody badly. Right.

Um, while, you know, using drugs and stuff. And, and then later when he was talking about that same brother, he was just like, I don’t know what’s wrong with him. It’s just like, he’s stupid or something.

And I was just thinking like this, this man with a master’s degree in social work is not like connecting the dots of the fact that his brother basically like was confined in prison and maybe didn’t get a chance to develop properly and develop and had a, had a drug addiction early on. And like, he just didn’t see the, it just, it seemed like a little bit of a red flag to me that he was maybe not the best critical thinker because he was just saying, I don’t know, I guess my brother’s stupid. Yeah.

And not actually, um, you know, looking at it with compassion or with, you know, the world around it, it seemed very, a very narrow way to look at things. It seems incongruous with his, with what he did for a living. Yeah.

It didn’t line up and it was, it kind of threw me off, but I, um, I went out with him again and we went for a walk and we, we got pizza and went for a walk and we talked and, and I was just talk, talk, talk. And he would, he was just, again, pretty subdued and trying to like get a, get more of like, what do you like? What are you into? And really all he did was walk his dog and his hobby was taking photos of food and posting it, posting Yelp reviews. Okay.

That’s a sore subject with me. I don’t understand the food thing. Why? Why? Uh, I don’t know.

I mean, I, I like taking pictures of the food I make. That’s pretty. And then saying, look, look what I made.

But there are people, that’s all that, that’s everything. That was his main hobby. It’s like reviewing restaurants.

Was he chubby? No, not at all. He was actually quite fit. And, uh, and then he also really liked movies and I love movies.

And so when I would ask his, like, you know, he was really proud of his favorite movies. And I don’t really remember what they were, but they were just like boring, mediocre blockbuster movies. Yeah.

And I was so unimpressed with his taste in movies where he was just like, I’m a big movie guy. And then he’s like, uh, you know, my favorite movie is this. And it’s a movie that I’m like, you saw that when you were 13 and it blew your mind.

And now you claiming it as your favorite movie forever and ever. Right. There’s a big difference between someone who is really into movies and who knows what they’re talking about.

He sounds like somebody who watches a lot of TV. There just wasn’t much there. And again, still subdued.

And then, you know, I think we went on a total of four dates and you know what I realized after, after, um, the fourth date, he was high the whole time. He was stoned. He was stoned the whole time.

And I’m so naive that I did not notice it. Oh, that’s awesome. No wonder the food thing.

The food, the blockbuster movies, the like boring stoner life. Right. He was a stoner.

Yeah. He just, he just got stoned and sat in front of the TV all the time and ate. Yeah.

I mean, he was a nice person. There was nothing really wrong with him, but I was like, when I realized when it clicked, I was like, how could I have not seen it? Like I talked to him, we went on one date a week for a whole month and I didn’t see anyone else. Oh, but the other thing that was weird about him is we were just getting to know each other.

Right. Right. And we would text a little bit.

We didn’t text very much. He wasn’t a big texter. And you know, he would text me in the afternoon or evening and be like, Hey, how’s your day going? And I was like, Oh, good day.

I’m just getting door dashed because I didn’t feel like cooking. And then he would respond. You don’t seem like somebody who would order door dash.

And then I was like, that’s such a weird thing to say. What does that mean? And so I said, what do you mean by that? And then he said, you seem like somebody who wouldn’t want to spend money on that. And I just thought that was such a weird, I’m like, okay, well, I don’t know where, where I gave you this, like frugal, like fiscally, uh, responsible, like I am definitely going to spend money.

I’m going to spend like 50 bucks on door dash and getting something that I would probably spend $20 on if I just got myself out of the house and went and got it. Right. Right.

Right. And I just, it was such a weird thing. And then later in one of the other dates, um, I said, bitch.

And he went, Elisa, I don’t think I’ve ever heard you swear before. I don’t think, I’m like, yeah, we’ve only hung out three times. And also like, you haven’t heard me say all that many things in that amount of time.

I know. And I was, he’s like, you don’t seem like somebody who would swear. And I just, I was getting really tired of the, the way that men I’d go on dates with would decide who I was so quickly.

And so I, I it was weird how he would just be like, put off by me doing something so normal. Right. Don’t you think that those people that do that, that you don’t seem like that type of person when they don’t even know you very well, that they have this, uh, vision of what their ideal girl would be or whatever.

And we all, those of us who are grownups know that that just doesn’t happen. That’s not, that’s not a real relationship. And don’t you think that those people that, you know, him saying that, that that’s what he wanted, that you were doing something that was out of his dream girl.

Yeah. Like projecting that. He was thinking, okay, well this is a responsible woman.

Cause I want a responsible woman. Right. I want a woman who is proper.

And doesn’t swear. Good luck with that in this day and age. Yeah.

So I, and then, and then finding out, realizing that he was just stoned the entire time was so, so funny. I was like, and I sent him a nice text and I said, Hey, it was really nice spending time with you and getting to know you. And normally I just say like, I don’t usually, I try to find something like real that I want to say about him.

And I just, you know, said, you’re very handsome. Cause he was. And I also met his dog and he had the cutest dog.

So I, you know, I said, thanks for letting me meet your dog and all this stuff and wish you the best. And he, and he responded like, Oh, thank you so much for, for letting me know. And it was, it was, you know, there was nothing really bad about that, but I was, it was just a whole, the whole thing together was, you know, very glaring how obvious he was not for me.

Sure. And I think a little bit of a representation of what a lot of men are like, what I found that projection of like, and deciding who they think you are. And then when you veer away from that, they, they are like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.

Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was so strange, but I, I have run into it a lot.

So I suppose, um, since I have, you were a lot more polite than I was with Bob. That’s true. And I still, I honestly, I still feel bad about that, but I mean, come on.

I think, I mean, you, you did what you had to do. I had to get out of there. And I think that, you know, I’ve never, I’ve never had a kind of date where I had to just get up and leave, but I would.

Yeah, I would. I mean, and honestly, I didn’t want to get back in the car with the maggots. No, there was that like in the back, you know, not necessarily all the way in the back, in the back of my mind, I don’t want to get back in that car.

Yeah. Yeah. At least you were where you could walk home.

Yes. I made sure. Yeah.

It’s like, where do you want to eat? I do that sometimes too, where I’m like, I know a little place and it’s actually really close to Yep. I, it’s been a long time since I’ve dated, but I’ll tell you, I remember it above all else. I remember it as being hard work.

It’s, it’s something you have to put a lot of energy into. There’s a movement around, uh, you know, women are, are raised to center men, to center romantic relationships. And so there’s a movement on social media, like call for women to de-center men and not make men the main, like, prize of their life, the point of their life, everything that they do around.

And, and it’s because we are, women are in a point where we can be that way where we don’t, we don’t, we no longer need men to survive. And so instead of having, having to have, um, to find a man to survive, to take out a credit card or, you know, to, to have some financial security to get a house and all those things, we, we don’t need that. And so now it, there’s like a shift going on in these gender dynamics where, where women are like, you need to bring more to the table.

And it is, it is stressing men out collectively, not like every single man. I need to sometimes be clear that I’m not, I’m not here to like bash men. I know a lot of wonderful, wonderful men.

I think it’s a hard thing for some men who also were, have been ingrained. Like I bring, I bring the security, I am a man, I bring the masculinity. And I, and like, they have to kind of grapple with a, a, a redefining of what that actually means.

I think a lot of them are lost because of that. They don’t know, they don’t know what to do with that because, you know, think about how far we’ve come. I’m on this kick lately where I reread Pride and Prejudice.

That wasn’t really that long ago in the whole scheme of the entire world. And think about those women. They were the difference between then and now.

Those women, they, that was it. That’s the only thing they had, you know, that, that was it. Get a good husband, you know, but don’t act too desperate because then you won’t.

And don’t turn anybody down if they ask you to marry them because you may not be asked again. And none of that matters now. So I kind of get.

Did you, and did you ever see the Gray Gardens documentary? No. So it’s this two women, I’m a big fan of it. It’s these two women who are related to Jackie O. You know I’m talking about, right? I know what you’re talking about.

Yeah. And they, they ended up, you know, living in their Hamptons home and it just like got decrepit and it was falling apart. And so the city was like calling it a nuisance and stuff.

And they’re just like a mom and daughter. The mother is elderly and the daughter is in her forties. And oh, it’s so fascinating because they were kind of ahead of their time and they were looked at as like crazy.

Right. And they, they definitely had, you know, I feel, I feel like kind of a kinship to them in a way that is their dynamics were, you know, like very silly and maybe not the healthiest communication and, and stuff. But there’s like this independence that they had that was not, um, was just bizarre at the time.

I love that documentary. And I love that, that they got the spotlight shined on them for that, even though people like laugh at them. And there’s just, it’s, it’s an interesting spotlight into how, how women, she was a debutante, the young one.

And, and like, they look back at all these photos and they talk about all the marriage proposals she had. And she’s just like, I didn’t want to marry anybody. And that is just so bizarre.

And I just had my good friend on the, on the podcast who does not really think about romantic relationships and doesn’t really want them. And about how even now people are like, are you sure? Like, you know, where do you have a husband? Are you married? Or is there a special someone? And it’s still just, it’s, that was so long ago where these two women were kind of, uh, non-traditional, shown off for being so non-traditional and like messy and like bizarre and all this other stuff and having these big personalities. But like, even now, so many years later, like we’ve come a really long way from the 1800s, but we really haven’t, we’re like, I feel like we’re really at this cultural, huge cultural shift right now, specifically in gender dynamics.

And, and it’s, the men are not handling it well, but I really hope that the younger, the younger generation of men are raised to like, you know, be better at not being, um, how do I, how do I say this nicely? Not being honored for just being men. Right. Being in a non-traditional relationship where maybe she makes a lot more money than you do or maybe.

Not being threatened by women. So many men can’t handle that. They can’t handle that if, if to them, that’s power and it’s a, and maybe, I don’t know, I’m sure there have been studies done on this, but maybe it’s in, you know, it’s part of their genetic makeup.

We don’t really know exactly how. I mean, I feel like it has to be a, so maybe part of that is, you know, um, because I’m thinking back to like caveman days and stuff, but there are a lot of societies around the world where they’re matriarchal and they’re run by women. And, um, so I think, I think in my opinion, it’s mostly socialized.

You’re thinking it’s more environment and it is more environment. I’m just saying that there’s, there’s, I believe that there’s something in there that, you know, I have to be the caveman brain is right. It’s still there.

Yeah. We still don’t know so much about the human, how the human brain works. And I, and, and you know, if there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s that men’s brains, I have two grown men for sons.

Men’s brains do not work like our brains. They don’t think the way we think. That’s awesome.

So another thing I wanted to share with you, Rhonda, since you have not had the pleasure of using dating apps and seeing what it’s like is reading you some of the, I have two bios, biographies, um, from two different dating apps that I am going to read to you. This will be fun. Oh, I think you’re going to love it.

So this first one is, it’s a little hard to read because the punctuation is, is very, um, uh, it’s a choice. The punctuation is a choice on this one. It’s hard to read, but this, this app allows for a person to write my self-summary.

And that’s generally a time, a place where you can share about yourself, you know, without any other prompt than that. Like, so my self-summary, it can be like, you know, I’m six two and I play basketball and I read a lot of books looking for a lady, something like that. So are you ready? Are you ready if I’m that bad? I think you’re in for a treat.

Okay. I’m a really great guy until you give me a reason not to be. I love cuddling.

That’s all one sentence. I’m a hopeless romantic, but I’m not clingy, but I am affectionate. I open doors, pull out seats.

I find arguing is a gateway to hurt feelings and words that once spoke, the damage cannot be undone. Also a full sentence, one sentence. I believe that two people should always speak positively about their relationship and their other half or say nothing at all.

And if two adults who claim to like each other can not talk through their problems together, then that’s not love. It’s not caring for someone. It’s toxic.

And I clearly will not have any part in it. Is that all one sentence? Yep. That was all one sentence.

Well, first of all, grammar is a big deal with me. So ixnay on that guy. Yeah.

He doesn’t use a single period in that. It’s all commas and exclamation points. And that is an entire paragraph, but it’s three sentences.

And yeah, that was, that’s his self summary. He needs to go to therapy. A hundred percent.

Because he is very angry and bitter about things that have occurred in previous relationships. And I mean, everybody’s got baggage. Yeah.

His girlfriend like unloaded to a friend or something. And then he heard about it. Right.

Or even unloaded to him. And he, it was like she stabbed him or something. He, he, he did not take it well.

And you can’t argue because arguing is a gateway to hurt feelings. Try having any relationship. I don’t let, nevermind men and women.

People are never going to totally, he wants, he wants a robot. You know, with all the advancements in AI. He may have one too.

She might not look too great, but she won’t argue. I mean, she’ll probably look however he wants her to look. Well, that’s true.

That’s true. Yeah. I think that’s what he should do.

Don’t get me started on AI. Okay. So that’s the first one.

And then here is a really, a really masculine bio. This is a different dating app where they have a little, you can only put like a small paragraph and it’s my bio. Okay.

So it’s kind of like your little about me. You better sit down for this. Sarcasm, expert, cunning linguist, wealthy, masculine energy, protector, provider, goddess worship.

Let’s not pretend like all that doesn’t matter to you. Eh? Daddy’s going to take good care of you, baby girl. Forehead kisses, breathe sugar.

It’s all tongue and cheek. That is a real dating profile. I wonder how long he had to think to think a cunning linguist.

I’m serious. This is, um, yeah, I think, oh, expert, expert, cunning linguist. I mean, yeah.

He thinks he’s a lot more clever than he is. I mean, but he’s got some masculine energy. Anytime any dating profile says that they have masculine energy or the right amount of masculine or anything masculine, feminine, looking for feminine.

No, you sound like a narcissist if you talk like that. Yep. They want, they want a Barbie doll.

And again, you can have your AI girlfriend and make her just how you want and you can stay the hell away from real women, please. Oh my Lord. I can’t get that cunning linguist thing out of my head.

I just, that’s going to make me giggle for days. Dude. Well, I have plenty more, but I have to save them for other episodes.

Darn it. So there’s, there’s a lot going on on the dating apps. A lot of entertainment.

I recently, I think you, you’ve listened to my past episodes where I ask the men to not, to not stop showing up ridiculous because we want to know who they are and how to stay away. You bet. So I hope that they don’t learn to hide from, from those kinds of exposures.

Right. And it just like validates the good ones and the bad ones just keep on keeping on. Yeah.

Stay away from it. Yep. That last, that last one was, oh, you can tell that person is insufferable.

You can tell, you can flick the, you can smell the arrogance just by reading that. And that makes you gag. Oh, and then he, and of course the, the financial, you know, information, wealthy, that he could have come up with a little more clever way to say that, but yeah.

I really don’t like the bios where they just like list their traits with a period at the end. Like I’ve seen a few that are more like hippie-ish and they’re like, you know, you can tell they’re kind of like into the spiritual stuff by that, that as well. So those profiles, I’m glad to see them just so that I can, I know to stay away.

Right. So. Wow.

It, I, I find it fascinating that people are doing this because I’m just at that age where, you know, like there were three computers in my high school. They were DOS based. They took up an entire room and it was 170 degrees in there.

That’s, that’s, you know, where I come from. And I think it’s great. For instance, my Bob Buck, my blind date, Bob Buck, I would have, I would have known to not, to stay away from that, you know? So in some ways it’s a lot better because at least you have some information.

Yeah. I, I am a fan of the dating apps because I, I like to be able to have, to actually have a filter. And when you are, when you are in a bar or out at a party or wherever you end up meeting someone, you do not have the information right up front to, like those, they’re not, there, there aren’t always obvious red flags right away.

And the dating profile, if you, if you learn to decode them, and there’s a really amazing book that talks about basically decoding language in men’s dating profiles called Burn the Haystack, which I’m a big fan of. And the, the author is a PhD in rhetoric. So like language and how, how to find the text and the context.

And she talks about rhetorical patterns and gives them names. When you see certain patterns in these dating profiles, she’s named them and given them, given them, giving us language to talk about them. Right.

And it’s incredible. It’s a really incredible work. Yeah.

I think that would be very helpful. And it’s specifically for women because honestly, we’re the ones who are at risk of being murdered. Sure.

And you know, you talked about blind dating or dating someone you don’t know at all. Back in my day, the really evil ones, and I not, I didn’t run across any that murdered me, but I mean, really evil people, they’re the best at hiding it. And I think they probably are online too.

Yep. So sometimes you just can’t, you, you’ve got to really listen to your intuition and your gut at that point, because every person I know who’s been in a like seriously abusive, um, or relationship with a manipulative narcissist who was super charming in the front, they all have that. I ask, do you remember the first time you had that gut feeling like something’s off? Right.

Or, um, and one of my friends said it was at her wedding where, um, there was like, somebody was talking about kindness and I’m going to just say her husband’s name was, was Jim. And then her family friends were like, yeah, well, that’s Jim. That’s just how Jim is.

And in her head, she thought, no, it’s not. That is not him at all. And that was her first time.

Like she had a little bit of like, wait a minute. He’s not a good guy. I always call that when your heart sinks into your stomach moment.

I also say another sign is if you can’t tell, if you want to edit what happened and when you’re telling your friend or family about it and you, you like have to leave certain parts out. Yep. That’s another sign.

Yep. If I have to edit this for the people who care about me and love me, then probably it isn’t a good idea for me. Right.

Yes. Well, thank you so much for sitting down with me. Now we’ve known each other for two whole hours.

How, how is it meeting the guy you’re dating’s mother and doing a podcast with her instantly when you first meet her? I never really looked, I was nervous, but I never really looked at it from your side. That, that’s a lot. So he texted me yesterday saying, well, what if my mom came on the podcast? You, it’s okay if you don’t like the idea.

And I said, I like it. And then the way that he texted back about, I didn’t really, it didn’t really gather that you were actually going to come over the next day and do it. And so when he came, got here last night.

Well, my plane leaves tomorrow. Yeah. I just thought like sometime in the future, like you’ll be back.

And so when he, when I realized it last night, apparently I turned bright red and I have rosacea. So the rosacea like got flared up. I do too.

So I had my like bright red cheeks for the rest of the night just by that. But then, I mean, I think we both survived. I’m comfortable.

I’m a, I’m a open, comfortable person. I don’t, I, I don’t get nervous about a lot of things very often. So, you know, right after the initial, like, Oh my gosh, yeah, I was fine.

And it’s been great. Good. For me too.

Nice to meet you. Oh, this is awesome. Thank you for listening to Ask Elisa, the good, the bad, and the ick.

I’m your host, Elisa Sparkman. This episode was produced by me and a guy I met on a dating app. Audio engineering, editing, and music by Jacob Patterson.